@djsundog I wonder if Google is already excluding non-attestable (i.e. potentially rooted or being emulated) phones from traffic computation in order to avoid the software-only version of this attack?
If not, we can force them to by engaging in said attack, then we can convince everyone to unlock their bootloader and root their phones so they no longer have any data they can rely on.
@freakazoid this just might work tbh
@djsundog Unfortunately if people gave enough of a shit about Google's evilness to actually do it, Google would probably suck less. But maybe we can find something sufficiently interesting to convince people to root their phones for some other reason.
also in the UK I think it might be possible soon to play off the govt/cops against Google and encourage young people to go back to listening to linear radio and use independent satnavs (TomTom does at least play fair with GDPR), as there is an increasing clampdown against distracted driving and using mobile devices in cars which is now including using music and even navigation apps as well as just making calls and texts...
What lots of Brits don't realise is the "heavy" cops with guns in unmarked Bimmers aren't just there for terrorists, they are all highly trained traffic officers and when there isn't any terrorism/violent crime (its not /that/ common) they are tasked with catching drivers committing traffic offences, particularly speeding and using mobile devices at the wheel. Also the mobile providers and Google will rat people out straight away when there is an incident..
@vfrmedia @thegibson @djsundog I use a refurbished Garmin Drive 50 myself because it supports FM traffic and lacks any transmit capability. The update app is closed source and would probably require Wine to run on Linux if it works at all on Linux, but it has asked for permission before uploading any telemetry since before GDPR.
Yeah, I generally tend to feel that poisoning the data is the only real way to stop them (short of strong, punative legislation).
Obviously, I love stuff like this that can really mess with their data. Obviously there are ways for them to filter out stuff like this, but the higher the noise floor, the more costly the signal processing. Eventually, it would reach a point where it wasn't worth their time.
@thegibson @jeffalyanak @djsundog Surveillance capitalists' greatest asset is apathy. The vast majority will sacrifice every last scrap of privacy for even the slightest convenience, as long as it's not visible to them. It's almost like most are unable to recognize privacy violations if there is not literally a pair of eyes looking at them. Which makes sense because it was the main way privacy was violated for the first 99.9% of human existence.
@freakazoid @TheGibson @jeffalyanak @djsundog Undeniably true. What's sad to me is that they COULD choose to be straight up about it, and actually work to make people aware of the trade-offs they're making. Because she's married to me, my lovely wife knows full well how much of her life she's giving over to GOOG by using Waze ever day, but it saves her a good 2-3 hours a week in commute time, so who can blame her? Certainly not I.
already I think Google traffic data is only provided for the benefit of "petit borgeousie" advertisers (small shops etc) rather than of any real use to drivers, cyclists or anyone else.
The maps themselves contain many errors and the GPS tracking is often way off by tens or hundreds of metres, which makes quite a bit of difference in small countries like England!
Even British businesses are switching to OSM as it works much better..
@jeffalyanak I love the little red wheelbarrow full of phones, it's striking. There are lots of location randomizer apps... I wonder if there are location randomizer app botnets for making fake traffic jams
@amsomniac If I ever find myself controlling an Android botnet that I don't need for anything else....
@jeffalyanak Great way to have less traffic in your neighbourhood! 🙂
@djoerd Pay a local tween $10 every day to take the wagon along your favourite route home just in advance of your commute home and just ride that slipstream!
@jeffalyanak as if traffic wasn't already fucked in New York anyway.
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